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War of Public Opinion

November 29, 2006 | By Sniper One |

For the longest time I’ve been operating under the assumption that the people who have been screaming about getting out of Iraq got it, but weighed American lives more than the lives of the average Iraqi.

However, after this exchange with Constantine on Hotair, I’m not even convinced that they get it anymore.

Heaven knows I’m no military strategist, but wouldn’t it make more sense for them to unite the factions to fight the Americans and the new government, instead of encouraging them to kill each other and deplete their manpower and ordinance? Sounds a lot like the nonsensical argument that we didn’t find WMDs because Saddam cleverly shipped them to Syria instead of using them to fight the invasion.

Constantine on November 28, 2006 at 7:45 PM

Here is my first mistake I actually assumed that Constantine was looking for knowledge. After all, they admitted ignorance. I gave he/she too much credit for intelligence. He/She wasn’t looking for enlightenment, but just a chance to rehash rhetoric.

So I respond based on the actual situation in Iraq. No rainbows, no unicorns, just truth. I don’t like to sugar coat something as important as truth.

But if they are shooting at our boys, we can take them down. We haven’t lost a battle in Iraq.

Who do we shoot at when they are shooting each other?

And then media screams Quagmire! Civil War! Retreat! Defeat!

This isn’t a war that is being lost on the battlefield, this is a war that is being lost in the media. They know that if the death toll rolls up, even if it isn’t our boys dying, that Americans will get sick of the war, and lose heart.

Eventually, people like yourself will force the military to give the terrorists what they wants… Iraq, on a silver platter.

So go ahead, keep cheer-leading for Osama…

Sniper One on November 28, 2006 at 7:55 PM

One thing I should of mentioned but didn’t…

As for things that make sense, wouldn’t it make more sense for everyone to get on board the plan for democracy and not kill each other in the first place? What sense does it make for people to kill each other? What sense does it make for Shia to kill Sunni; or vice versa in the first place.

Why the hell would you not want democracy to take root, where Shia, Kurd, and Sunni all can have a government of the people, for the people.

Secondly, we have found WMDs in Iraq. Just because you choose to live in ignorance of that fact, doesn’t make it less valid.

Just ignore that the war is immoral and ill-advised from the start, then blame the media for reporting what’s going on. Have you considered that we’re unintentionally enabling the violence because those perpetrating it know we’ll prevent total collapse while they act on their sectarian hatred?

Believe it or not, even people who hate the war still feel a sense of responsibility for cleaning up the mess that BushCo. has created, even as you repeat the phrase “cut and run” until you’re foaming at the mouth. So I don’t see that happening.

Go ahead, keep making the offensive distortions. They worked so well for the Republicans in the last election.

Constantine on November 28, 2006 at 8:35 PM

As I mentioned above, I assume Constantine was actually looking for an intelligent discussion, instead we get empty rhetoric.

I base my response to Constantine on the following:

As Osama bin Laden puts it: “In this final phase of the ongoing struggle, the world of the infidels was divided between two superpowers — the United States and the Soviet Union. Now we have defeated the more dangerous of the two. Dealing with the pampered and effeminate Americans will be easy.” And then followed what has become the familiar description of the Americans and the usual litany and recitation of American defeats and retreats: Vietnam, Beirut, Somalia, one after another. The general theme was: They can’t take it. Hit them and they’ll run. All you have to do is hit harder.

and from the Former (now dead) leader of Al Qaeda, Iraq:

Iraq’s al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has declared “all-out war” on Shia Muslims in Iraq in response to a US-Iraqi offensive on the town of Tal Afar, according to an audio clip posted on the Internet.

Al Jazeera - THURSDAY, MARCH 16, 2006

Zarqawi laid out the strategy pretty clearly. If we can’t kill the Americans we will start a war with the Shias.

Osama is right, the majority of Americans don’t have enough of a backbone to stand up to an enemy that will not stop. Jack Murtha and his band of defeatocrats is a perfect example of why Osama is right.

You combine the two statements, and you get the strategy I laid out above.

Just because Constantine finds it offensive doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Thank you Constantine, you’ve re-affirmed my belief that you are beyond reason.

“Don’t waste your breath. The only way Constantine is going to get a clue is if they deploy to Iraq to see it for themselves. The required liberal pre-frontal lobotomy has long since removed any intelligent thought.

Sniper One on November 28, 2006 at 7:41 PM”

Sniper One on November 28, 2006 at 9:44 PM

I’m not a military strategist, I don’t claim to be a military genius. However, it doesn’t take a genius to take the press statements of these men (Osama & Zarqawi) and see what they are doing. It doesn’t take a genius to understand why they feel their plan will work.

To be honest, I’m pretty much in awe of these guys (Osama & Zarqawi). They made the leap in understanding that ever since Korea and Vietnam that war is not won on the battlefield, but in the court of public opinion. It’s not Bush, it’s not the most powerful military in the world that they have to defeat. It’s the everyday American that is sitting at home, eating potato chips on his couch, scratching his crotch, and watching Olbermann on cable TV; that Al Qaeda has to defeat. That understanding is genius.

In a stand-up fight, nobody can beat us.

In a war of public opinion, it appears that we can’t win.

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    1. seejanemom on November 29, 2006 9:44

      Read the new book EMPIRE, by Orson Scott Card. Civil War with these cheese heads is coming. Fiction, sure, but SCARY REAL fiction. I am experimenting with my trackbacks. *Trying* to sending you one. Be on the lookout.
      Jane

    2. Sniper One on November 29, 2006 9:48

      Will do! I’m a huge Card fan to start out with.

      I’ll watch for the trackback…

    3. Ken Larson on November 29, 2006 19:21

      You make many good points in your article. I would like to supplement them with some information:

      I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.

      If you are interested in a view of the inside of the Pentagon procurement process from Vietnam to Iraq please check the posting at my blog entitled, “Odyssey of Armements”

      The Pentagon is a giant,incredibly complex establishment,budgeted in excess of $500B per year. The Rumsfelds, the Adminisitrations and the Congressmen come and go but the real machinery of policy and procurement keeps grinding away, presenting the politicos who arrive with detail and alternatives slanted to perpetuate itself.

      How can any newcomer, be he a President, a Congressman or even the Sec. Def. to be - Mr. Gates- understand such complexity, particulary if heretofore he has not had the clearance to get the full details?

      Answer- he can’t. Therefor he accepts the alternatives provided by the career establishment that never goes away and he hopes he makes the right choices. Or he is influenced by a lobbyist or two representing companies in his district or special interest groups.

      From a practical standpoint, policy and war decisions are made far below the levels of the talking heads who take the heat or the credit for the results.

      This situation is unfortunate but it is ablsolute fact. Take it from one who has been to war and worked in the establishment.

      This giant policy making and war machine will eventually come apart and have to be put back together to operate smaller, leaner and on less fuel. But that won’t happen unitil it hits a brick wall at high speed.

      We will then have to run a Volkswagon instead of a Caddy and get along somehow. We better start practicing now and get off our high horse. Our golden aura in the world is beginning to dull from arrogance.

    4. Blue Star Chronicles on November 30, 2006 0:54

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